BRB Boom 34: Fapping Tales

It’s time, once again, to put boom in your boom and listen to BRB Boom. This week, Dogsdie, Smelly Pirate and Yoshifett nerd out about DOTA, The Walking Dead, violent video games, the deal of the week and other topics that affect today’s gamer.

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  1. Excellent show guys, as always, I had 3 DotA2 keys to give away a few weeks ago – I should have just gifted you three guys them…

    I remember being at work and seeing the Sandy Hook tragedy being reported, it was horrible but like DogsDie it didn’t move me to action in terms of gaming, but then again, I haven’t played any realistic military shooters or Spec Ops: The Line as Yoshi had mentioned. But I have noticed myself becoming more and more desensitized to general video game violence as this generation has moved forward, beginning with Fallout 3 – I remember when I first shot an enemies head off i actually felt a horrible chill down my spine seeing it happen for the first time, from then on, nothing has really been getting to me and I can feel I’m getting more and more numb to the concept of on-screen violence, fantastical or not. Which, as Smelly said, is very concerning to me. Not only on a psychological level, but also spiritually.

    Maybe on some level in my mind I can see the massive disconnect between violence in terms conflict for “entertainment” and real-world violence – because seeing Sandy Hook being reported I was actually horrified and began praying for the families of those people killed. I think being in situations where you yourself are actually surrounded by violence is a massive factor in being violent, as opposed to being in front of a TV behind a controller. Maybe I’m wrong though, Smelly’s the psychologist here :p

    Not to make light of a dark subject, but there’s a music bundle being sold over at http://groupees.com/newtown with all the proceeds going to the Sandy Hook School Support fund, if any of you like music and wanna contribute in some way to help the School I think this is just as good a method as any.

    By the way, is there any particular reason Yoshifett has blocked me from following him on Twitter? I noticed I hadn’t seen any of his tweets recently and it turns out he’s blocked me from following him. Very disappointed he deems me unworthy of his feed :(

  2. sheezcrafty

    Start of podcast, I know Yoshi’s word before he gives the definition, this is going to be a good day! Then a hilarious aside about adventures of inappropriate public displays of self-affection, this just keeps getting better. Oooohhhh, real life, real, real, real life.

    Hhhmmmm, OK. As a mature, between 35 and 45, person, Sandyhook left me tearful, saddened, angry, the question of why, playing over in my head. Do I feel the need to alter my entertainment choices. We watched The Dark Knight Rises, and Looper, We played The Uncharted multiplayer like we always do. This stuff that plays on our PS3 is entertainment, we don’t take it into our real life.

    The fact that I enjoy playing and watching things that have violence in them, and I abhor real life violence, I guess the contradiction isn’t lost on me. Spec Ops left me saddened and very thoughtful, Uncharted is the opposite, I feel the same way I felt watching Raiders of the Lost Ark for the first time. Exhilarated? Man, when I figure this out, I’ll let you know.

  3. FireMuncher

    I’ve only listened to about 15 minutes worth and all I have to say is that this is yoshi at his finest. And so what if I was in my car. Would you rather have me in the office?

  4. The McMurder

    I don’t know if this is the right place to put this comment, but I have been thinking a lot about my consumption of media lately and this episode made me want to share what I thought.

     

    I’m 23 years old, and I completely agree with YoshiFett on violence in the media, regardless of its form. 

     

    Without making a big deal about it, for the past several years I’ve been slowly edging away violent and hyper realistic shooters. I still I have no problem fantastic and otherwise unrealistic shooter games. For example Mass Effect 3 is a fantastic game and I have no problem with it, on the other hand a game like Battlefield 3 with very realistic guns set in a realistic world designed to be as similar to real life as possible, mixed with an almost romantic view of violence in the game, I am growing to find completely unappealing. I would not be so pretentious to assume my view is correct (sarcasm: but it is) however I think it’s time gamers, the news, TV, movies, and the entire entertainment industry started looking at what the constant barrage of violence and immorality COULD be doing to our minds and habits; regardless of our stage in life. 

     

    I think that it is entirely unlikely that viewing violence – particularly violence that is accepted and sometimes encouraged – on a daily, hourly, and frequent basis will not have any effect on our psyche. I think it’s time to start paying attention.

  5. Darth Nutclench

    I’m over in the UK and, although more disconnected from the incident, was still affected by it. I am a primary school teacher and have very young kids of my own, and the utter dread as all the fine details and stories came out of that horrible situation was palpable.

    It’s a continuing debate to look at parallels between violence in games and violence IRL, but I think it’s too hasty to admit that gaming is solely at cause here. My heart always sinks when incidents like this happen as, inevitably, video games will be blamed. I agree the extra interactivity games offer can be a contributory factor, however comparing a game like TWD to a film you may say that the measure of immersion has to be examined on a case by case basis. I’ve been more emotionally affected by books and films than any games (with perhaps the exception of Journey) and find that the very nature of games trying to represent real life with sub-photorealistic graphics means I’m more aware of the disconnect from reality. I can see the point about exposure to violence can lead to a more violent tendency, emotionally, however this is from all areas of experience, not just video games.

    I think children need to be aware of the facets of life, violence, happiness, insanity, tenderness, sympathy to be able to grow and learn as individuals and, with guidance from their parents, understand the nature of their own emotions. Studies have shown (evidenced from the Polygon article linked below) that parents playing games with their children and discussing the difficult issues that crop up in violent games can lead to better adjusted more emotionally stable children.

    I won’t be giving up violent shooters, as they are my way of blowing off steam after a stressful day. But I can respect those people who do.

    Link to Polygon article. http://bit.ly/WoZSof

    Great podcast guys. MORE SIM TALK.

    Darth.

  6. While I could give my opinion on Sandy Hook and its influence on my gaming habits, instead I will just say that I laughed so ‘hord’ at Dogs’ comment about Clementine not paying attention and not remembering what Lee just said, that I almost fell over while walking home from work.

  7. FireMuncher

     

    Yoshi games are like race.

     The one-drop rule is a historical colloquialterm in the United States for the social classification as Negro of individuals with any African ancestry; meaning any person with “one drop of Negro blood” was considered black.

    so….

    The one-drop rule is a  colloquialterm in the United States for the classification of games with any game aspect; meaning any type of entertainment with “one drop of game” is considered a game

     

    also dogsdie…

    you cannot yell “jason” by pressing “Y”!!!tongue

  8. Yoshifett

    So I started playing Far Cry 3…

  9. FireMuncher

    Yoshifett said
    So I started playing Far Cry 3…

    Wow that didn’t take long. But I just started a week ago and trust me it’s well worth it. I never would have thought of playing a Far Cry game but all the rave reviews (and a sale price of $40) made me try it. I love that game and its very addictive. Just wait for the sex scene yoshi then you can jerk off and play a game at the same time! 

  10. Great discussion everyone.  I was hoping to hear from you guys about the Sandy Hook situation and our discussion on the topic.  

     

    Thanks for listening.  We wouldn’t do this if it weren’t for you guys!

  11. FireMuncher

     

    Thank you dogsdie for caring and interacting with your listeners and fans thats why we stick around.  I’ll give my stance on the subject tomorrow. I’m just taking a break from prepping for an interview and dont have the time to delve into my take on the subject. barrelbarrelbarrel

  12. I was hoping that people would show up here to talk about this, because it’s a very interesting conversation, to me. I’ll be back on tonight to respond to your guys’ thoughts. Cheerio!

  13. hillaire

    A very interesting podcast with a pretty serious twist at the end. Long time listener infrequent poster.

    I hope this finally means that Gun control can be addressed in America and the issue looked at with a modern logical mind.

    We can’t know what makes a killer with any certainty, but we can say that he will be alot less successful if he doesnt have ready access to an arsenal of modern weaponry.

    Ps looking forward to hearing what Yoshi thinks of Far cry, worried it looks abit of a time sink.

  14. Let me preface what I say with this: My thoughts on this are for me, and though I will extrapolate my beliefs to what I think would be best for society, I wouldn’t presume to tell anyone else what to do. So there.

    I agree that it is foolish to pin any real-world violence on any one trigger, video games included. On the same token, I think it is foolish to not consider the possibility that a number of triggers might be playing into it. Violence in video games and in the media in general is not what drives someone to lose their grasp on right and wrong and murder innocent people. I do believe it makes it easier for that process to occur, or at the very least gives the unconscious mind a lot of potentially dangerous, um, ammunition. If it weren’t so prevalent in our culture, perhaps people lose their minds might act it out in some other less lethal way.

    I have seen a very small amount of actual violence in my life. Petty fights at school, some altercations at the hospital where I work, and that’s about it. I have seen a fair amount of fake violence in movies, TV and games, and I think I can say that I am mature and aware enough to know that it is fake. Having said that, it still sticks with me more than other, more mundane aspects of entertainment do. I haven’t seen Pulp Fiction in 17 years, but I still remember pretty vividly when that dude gets it in the skull in the back of Vincent’s car. The fakeness takes some of the edge off, but it is a small portion thereof.

    Next step, I have seen a very little bit of actual, gruesome violence online, through some foolish and curious headline clicking. Even as I type this, I can feel what I felt when I saw a video of a beheading of a prisoner in the middle-east somewhere. I still regret so hoard ever clicking that link, because I will never un-see it, and all it does is make me horrible. I think that fake violence has some small fraction of this effect on me, and I believe, on everyone. And maybe that fraction is part of what pushes a mental health patient from benignly struggling on their own to playing out horrifically violent acts. Of course that point also leads to the mental health debate, which I feel very strongly about as well. However, on a personal level, I just want my life to get increasingly less tainted by these things, not more. I want to be more loving, kind, hopeful, and empathetic, and I believe having less violence in my life puts me in a better position to achieve that. 

    TL:DR I have a lot of feelings.

  15. Yoshifett

    FireMuncher said

    Yoshifett said
    So I started playing Far Cry 3…

    Wow that didn’t take long. But I just started a week ago and trust me it’s well worth it. I never would have thought of playing a Far Cry game but all the rave reviews (and a sale price of $40) made me try it. I love that game and its very addictive. Just wait for the sex scene yoshi then you can jerk off and play a game at the same time! 

    I know I’m rationalizing here, but it doesn’t give me that same weirdly off-putting feeling that warfare games give me. I just think I don’t really like “realistic” warfare, real or simulated. Far Cry 3 feels like it’s in the same sort of category as BioShock for me where it’s so over-the-top that I’m not reminded of real-world violence.

     

    Also, regarding Fallout 3, that’s a perfect example of a game with violence that does not bother me at all because of the same reason: it’s ridiculous. None of it looks like an sort of real-world violence. You can see the pixelated chunks of body parts flying around, and it’s just more of a reminder of how much of a game it is.

     

    When I look at the subject from afar, it seems that our culture (American culture) is obsessed with violence from the number of wars that we participate in to the popularity of MMA. It’s everywhere, and I’m having a harder and harder time seeing other factors that make America a place that is terrible at dealing with guns. If you compare us to other populations with similar per capita gun ownership, these other groups don’t even come close to the amount of gun violence in America. However, that does exonerate video games to a certain degree, since violent games are popular everywhere, yet gun violence is a problem that is more pronounced in America than other countries with similar demographics in terms of industrialization and gun ownership. There are so many things going on here, it’s such a complex issue, and we haven’t even really touched on the mental health aspect of the discussion. 

    hillaire said 
     

    Ps looking forward to hearing what Yoshi thinks of Far cry, worried it looks abit of a time sink.

    If “time sink” was a genre, it’d probably be my favorite.

  16. eldertaco

    Age 32, Married for 4 years  

    I feel I am completely desensitized to violence in movies, TV, and games. I grew up in a household with parents that allowed things that I would never let my kids view. When it comes to games I will play almost anything without regard to rating. I have 16 and 13 year old step sons and an almost 2 year old daughter. The day of the shooting I feel to my knees at the thought of someone taking them away from me. Having children has made me exponentially more sensitive to everything that is said or done in movies, TV, and games.  

    My gaming habits have changed through the last year. I use to play games like Modern Warfare, God of war, or Mass Effect ONLY when everyone was in bed. This last year my oldest was allowed to play shooters. He is still limited from playing every game but I worry because shooters, especially military shooters have become the only kind of games he plays. This influence has bleed into a fascination with guns. He was given a 22 rifle for his 16th birthday by his biological father and is now locked by me in the basement. I love shooters and violent movies but guns make me nervous! I went hunting with friends years ago and I could not pull the trigger. When It comes to real life I have been called a wuss on more than one occasion. The 13 year old is able to watch but does not play these games but I know that does not make it ok. I hope when he does that he continues with variety.  As for the little one I never play when she is awake but I will play call of duty and other games with my sons but I will not play the new God of War with them around. 

    I also had a nephew that was having behavior problems. I was shocked the only games he played were Lego games on the wii. It was suggested that he was learning to be violent from those games because the characters “died” or popped apart and immediately regenerated without consequence. That somehow he was learning that it’s ok to act out because there are no consequences. I am not saying that it the absolute reason. It does remind me of my basic 101 psychology class when we discussed pg13 movies and R. James bond can kill hundreds without one drop of blood or hostel that shows every gruesome detail. What is more harmful? That tuned into a full debate that left an ambiguous conclusion.

    So in these ramblings I just want to say that I think we are influenced by what we consume. It seems to be on a case by case basis and more than the sum of its parts. I do fear that I am not fully aware of its influence on me. I consider myself sensitive to real world events and my kids while shutting it off when it comes to make-believe. So I suppose that makes me a hypocrite.

    Real talk… Thanks for the show guys.     

  17. Don F Fuentes

    It’s everywhere, and I’m having a harder and harder time seeing other factors that make America a place that is terrible at dealing with guns. If you compare us to other populations with similar per capita gun ownership, these other groups don’t even come close to the amount of gun violence in America.

     

    The answer to why America is so violent is not complex at all. In fact, it’s right in front of your face, but, it’s not the answer that you want, so, you look the other way, in search of something more sophisticated, and socially palatable.

  18. frawlzfans

    Im also in the UK and to be brutally honest I feel completely disconnected from what happened at Sandy Hook, it has got to the stage now for me if another massacre happened it really wouldn’t surprise me as I would think this is normal for America. Im like DogsDies I could play BF3 at the time it was happening and not think twice. Don F Fuentes the previous poster is completely right the solution isnt hard it is to ban guns, but no people think they have a right like The Soviet Union may still invade, so until you ban guns or severely limit availability like the rest of the world has these tragedies will carry on. 

    Moreover I do think video games have a small subliminal influence on people and when combined with guns and violence in most TV shows, most movies, police carrying guns, criminals carrying guns, people owning guns, turning on the TV and American troops being in another country and Americas obsession with the military it all adds up. Completely agree with Yoshi America is obsessed with violence. 

  19. The Cypriot Chappy

    I’m 15 and live in the UK. I really took the sandy shootings quite hard considering I didn’t really have strong reaction to the Aurora shootings. This being said I don’t think that video games or films are the main factor for these tragedies, the society we are in isn’t helping. With the internet now anyone who wants attention can get it and that’s what it is a lot of the time…attention. So instead of plastering the killers face on every news channel some serious discussions need to tale place. This being said there should be some way to check, other than ID, whether someone is able to purchase said piece of entertainment. Our hearts go out to those affected.

  20. Don F Fuentes

    Don F Fuentes the previous poster is completely right the solution isnt hard it is to ban guns, but no people think they have a right like The Soviet Union may still invade, so until you ban guns or severely limit availability like the rest of the world has these tragedies will carry on

     

    No, I’m very much in favor of the 2nd amendment. Without it, the government will become a totalitarian dictatorship, and we all will wind up in Mao Zedong style reeducation camps. A heavily armed population is critical to maintaining a balance of power between the government and the people. A few Sandy Hook’s here and there, while tragic, are a minor price to pay to ensure our security and freedom. Given the number of people who died at Sandy Hook though, it does make me wonder what all the fuss is about, considering this type of violence takes place every single day for decades in the USA’s super-ghettos of Compton, New Orleans, South Side of Chicago, and Detroit

  21. DeanBiddler

    Guns haven’t stopped the losses to the U.S. Amendment rights so far through legislation in our modern age. Your alternate preposals?

  22. smelly pirate said

    Next step, I have seen a very little bit of actual, gruesome violence online, through some foolish and curious headline clicking. Even as I type this, I can feel what I felt when I saw a video of a beheading of a prisoner in the middle-east somewhere. I still regret so hoard ever clicking that link, because I will never un-see it, and all it does is make me horrible.

    You know what dude, I’ve either seen that very same video, or something similar. One of my old internet buddies linked me it one day and I almost vomited. Seeing something real like that is a whole different beast entirely, imo. And like you say, you can never un-see it. Scarred my soul for life. hmmm

    ~Prime

  23. Omicronus

    I am also a long time listener, infrequent poster.

    I am 22 years old. Play all sorts of games. And when I heard about the Sandy Hook’s massacre, I feel and I didn’t feel. What I mean by that is… I know these types of things happen 24/7, all around the world. Most you wouldn’t hear about, there are child soldiers in Africa, drug trafficking in Mexico, slavery in China, etc. The world is a very cruel place and there are lots of things you can do such as charity, volunteer groups, etc.

    Yet even I still play games that are military shooters. I understand that today’s values is totally distorted. Completely by everything. I actually blame the whole economic system. We create the environment yet it paradoxically creates us. Making more laws won’t stop crime. You can never stop crime in this system. That’s the sad truth. 

    I am apart of a movement that wants to change the world. Which is quite laughable when it’s put like that. But check out the Zeitgeist Movement if you haven’t heard of it. Especially for Smelly Pirate, might be up your alley and will explain things that you will understand. I can say a crap load more, but I will leave it here. If you want to know more, feel free to message me. 

    Also, great podcast guys, I’ve only heard the last half of it tonight. Just have to say, I began listening since maybe around 5th episode of the Brown show. Gets me through my patrols at work!

  24. Ozfatboy

    Just wanted to say another great show guys. Looking forward to future shows. Keep up the good work and the good humour.

  25. Don F Fuentes

    check out the Zeitgeist Movement if you haven’t heard of it. Especially for Smelly Pirate, might be up your alley

     

    The Zeitgeist films, while interesting, are a mix of facts, lies, and conspiracy — and, most importantly, the solutions they endorse, are nothing more than repackaged communism, in a shiny new box, with a technological twist.

    And for those bleeding heart libs who think communism is a good thing, read about the 20,000,000 who died at the hands of Stalin or the 60,000,0000 during Mao’s great leap forward.

    Everywhere communism’s been implemented, it’s brought nothing but pain, misery, and death.

    So, I would be very wary of anything even remotely communist in nature.

     

  26. Yoshifett

    Omicronus said
     

    I am 22 years old. Play all sorts of games. And when I heard about the Sandy Hook’s massacre, I feel and I didn’t feel. What I mean by that is… I know these types of things happen 24/7, all around the world. Most you wouldn’t hear about, there are child soldiers in Africa, drug trafficking in Mexico, slavery in China, etc.

     

     

    I’ll admit that this is exactly how I reacted when 9/11 happened, and I was 23 at the time. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve gotten more empathetic and I try not to minimize one bad thing by pointing out that there are also other bad things, because that doesn’t really help or make anyone feel better.

  27. Don F Fuentes

    It’s not about minimizing things, Fett…it’s about putting things in the proper context, so we don’t overreact, and do stupid S\*\*t, like give all our guns to the government…

  28. Don F Fuentes

    You gots delusions of grandeur, Fett…delusions of grandeur…

     

    http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/145/3/5/Han_Solo_and_Obi_Wan_Kenobi_by_ColonelFlagg.jpgImage Enlarger

  29. Ozfatboy said
    Just wanted to say another great show guys. Looking forward to future shows. Keep up the good work and the good humour.

    Thanks for dropping in and saying so, my friend.  May the boom be with you!

  30. Omicronus

    Don F Fuentes said

    check out the Zeitgeist Movement if you haven’t heard of it. Especially for Smelly Pirate, might be up your alley

     

    The Zeitgeist films, while interesting, are a mix of facts, lies, and conspiracy — and, most importantly, the solutions they endorse, are nothing more than repackaged communism, in a shiny new box, with a technological twist.

    And for those bleeding heart libs who think communism is a good thing, read about the 20,000,000 who died at the hands of Stalin or the 60,000,0000 during Mao’s great leap forward.

    Everywhere communism’s been implemented, it’s brought nothing but pain, misery, and death.

    So, I would be very wary of anything even remotely communist in nature.

     

    Just have to say, this is absolutely wrong. I have read all the FAQ’s, looked at all other alternates and so called ‘debunks’. After carefully considering, this is the only sane system that anyone has ever thought of. The idea of applying the scientific method for social concern is the only way forward at this point in time. Especially since everything that is man made derives from the scientific method. This is not Communism as the Resource Based Economy does not use banks, does not have standing armies, does not have any idea of ‘nations’ nor any social stratification. Yes, this does have attributes from Communism, but it also has attributes from Technocrats, does it make it a Technocrat system too? What about the no government thing, is that anarchist? There are so many misconceptions about this movement that it isn’t funny. 

    Yoshifett said

    Omicronus said
     

    I am 22 years old. Play all sorts of games. And when I heard about the Sandy Hook’s massacre, I feel and I didn’t feel. What I mean by that is… I know these types of things happen 24/7, all around the world. Most you wouldn’t hear about, there are child soldiers in Africa, drug trafficking in Mexico, slavery in China, etc.

     

     

    I’ll admit that this is exactly how I reacted when 9/11 happened, and I was 23 at the time. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve gotten more empathetic and I try not to minimize one bad thing by pointing out that there are also other bad things, because that doesn’t really help or make anyone feel better.

    This is true, I just tell them to join some groups that help out in those specific situations if they feel that strongly.

    Can I also ask have any of you guys played Planetside 2? I like it better than Battlefield 3.

  31. frawlzfans

    Don F Fuentes said

    check out the Zeitgeist Movement if you haven’t heard of it. Especially for Smelly Pirate, might be up your alley

     

    The Zeitgeist films, while interesting, are a mix of facts, lies, and conspiracy — and, most importantly, the solutions they endorse, are nothing more than repackaged communism, in a shiny new box, with a technological twist.

    And for those bleeding heart libs who think communism is a good thing, read about the 20,000,000 who died at the hands of Stalin or the 60,000,0000 during Mao’s great leap forward.

    Everywhere communism’s been implemented, it’s brought nothing but pain, misery, and death.

    So, I would be very wary of anything even remotely communist in nature.

     

    Woah, missed this. For a start that was never true communism, it never reached the final stage where we all become equal etc. How about we read about the millions who have died and been enslaved because of the evil which is capitalism. Socialism thumb

  32. JLV

    Everything is subjective, reality is nothing but a box that we escape from even as we sit within.

     

    Boom is that box.

  33. gfreeman

    Don F Fuentes said

    Everywhere communism’s been implemented, it’s brought nothing but pain, misery, and death.

    So, I would be very wary of anything even remotely communist in nature.

     

    Because Capitalism has always been sunshine, lollipops and invisible pink unicorns that fart fairy dust and fir rainbows from their horns?hmmm….. this is by no means me saying that Communism or even socialism is the definitive way to go, though i am  socialist by nature, but this whole communism is death and misery is just peoples misinterpretation of communism.

  34. “That escalated quickly. It reeeealy got out of hand fast!”

  35. DeanBiddler

    I think these incidents of gun massacre occur when the Ven Diagram of mentally ill , or people who have lost contact with their humanity, crossover with weapon fetishist. The people that are deranged(in a non-dismissive sense) need to be addressed as well as the emphasis on the responsibility of people around them to try to intervene before it reaches a zenith of violence.

  36. DeanBiddler said
    I think these incidents of gun massacre occur when the Ven Diagram of mentally ill , or people who have lost contact with their humanity, crossover with weapon fetishist. The people that are deranged(in a non-dismissive sense) need to be addressed as well as the emphasis on the responsibility of people around them to try to intervene before it reaches a zenith of violence.

     

    I agree with the concept of the ven diagram overlap, but I don’t think the second category needs to be a weapon fetishist. We had a man leave our hospital that was chronically mentally ill, and had no fascination with weapons at all, but ended up at a gas station brandishing a samurai sword that happened to be in his grandmother’s house, and ended up getting shot by the police. I think the overlapping issue with the mental health one is access to weapons. This all gets back to the massacre that happened in China on the same day as Sandy Hook, where twenty something people were injured but nobody killed because it was done with a sword, not an AR-15. Access to lethal weapons equals more innocent people dead.

  37. JD

    I’m 27 from the US and I agree with Yoshi; trying to stalk someone on the phone while diddling yourself is a super romantic gesture.

     

    -JD

  38. JD said
    I’m 27 from the US and I agree with Yoshi; trying to stalk someone on the phone while diddling yourself is a super romantic gesture.

     

    -JD

    Just when I was about to say romance is dead nowadays, you come out and say that… and totally redeem the present!

  39. FireMuncher

    Diarmuid said

    JD said
    I’m 27 from the US and I agree with Yoshi; trying to stalk someone on the phone while diddling yourself is a super romantic gesture.

     

    -JD

    Just when I was about to say romance is dead nowadays, you come out and say that… and totally redeem the present!

    Don’t forget to bring a towel!

  40. DeanBiddler

    smelly pirate said

    DeanBiddler said
    I think these incidents of gun massacre occur when the Ven Diagram of mentally ill , or people who have lost contact with their humanity, crossover with weapon fetishist. The people that are deranged(in a non-dismissive sense) need to be addressed as well as the emphasis on the responsibility of people around them to try to intervene before it reaches a zenith of violence.

     

    I agree with the concept of the ven diagram overlap, but I don’t think the second category needs to be a weapon fetishist. We had a man leave our hospital that was chronically mentally ill, and had no fascination with weapons at all, but ended up at a gas station brandishing a samurai sword that happened to be in his grandmother’s house, and ended up getting shot by the police. I think the overlapping issue with the mental health one is access to weapons. This all gets back to the massacre that happened in China on the same day as Sandy Hook, where twenty something people were injured but nobody killed because it was done with a sword, not an AR-15. Access to lethal weapons equals more innocent people dead.

    Indeed, a weapon cannot be blamed for the death of a person as it is the person committing such acts. However, I think the point elucidated by you and one that I never hear mentioned in these discussions is that the magnitude of violence/deaths can be directly attributed to the weapon. You can cause much more devastation with Semtex than a blade. The ease of access is a matter to address, but to what degree? It is a spectrum issue for sure, but maybe to say the least that if you have access to potentially high body count weapons to keep them locked up ala vault? These events are tragedies, but trusting people or legislation may also be if done wholly. I think progress can be achieved when the sides of pro-gun and anti-gun, both seemingly entrenched in intransigence, see each others points and without petulance try for a remedy.

  41. TDog

    I’d like to chime in on the Sandy Hook discussion.  I found myself fighting back tears for a week reading and watching coverage of the Sandy Hook tragedy.  Im not a hunter or gun control advocate but I am a videogame player.  When everyone started pointing fingers at guns and videogames, my initial reaction was anger.  I despise the resonce by the NRA. Pointimg fingers at videogames feels like people who are either trying to deflect the attention from the real problem or people who dont understand gaming therefore it becomes an easy scapegoat.  After listening to the podcast I had a change of heart.  Although I’m not ready to give up FPS games, maybe it’s time I reevaluate.  I agree that violent games may have an effect on a developing mind.  I play them myself but it’s not me I’m worried about.  I have an 11 year old son and for the last coupe years, I’ve been letting him play pretty much anything he wants.  In addition, I don’t sensor anything I play in front of him.  Instead of getting angry and defensive, it’s time to just look at ourselves and do whatever we can do to change this situation. No matter how minimal I might think videogames play a role in this situation, I need to do my part to make a change.  I would place more blame on other things but I would hope those “other things” should spend their time and energy looking at themselves and what they can do. It’s time for me to start putting more thought into what I let my 11 year old play and what I play I front of him.

     

    Thanks for the great discussion topic.  I’ve never been more compelled to respond to a podcast.

     

    Terry

  42. Yoshifett

    DeanBiddler said

    I think the point elucidated by you and one that I never hear mentioned in these discussions is that the magnitude of violence/deaths can be directly attributed to the weapon. You can cause much more devastation with Semtex than a blade. 

    Every time I discuss guns with anyone, I raise this point. It’s the most important point. 20+ kids stabbed in China on the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook, yet no fatalities. As Dave pointed out, some of those kids lost eyes, etc., but I’d rather have my daughter alive with one eye than dead with both. Horrifying either way to know that people are out there who’d hurt anyone in that manner (let alone elementary school children.)

  43. Roelosaurus

    Have you guys checked last week’s Jimquisition? I know Jim Sterling can talk out of his ass a lot, but in this one his opinion is a really good one… just check it.

  44. shakysnake

    I am pretty far from US, I did felt strong anger against the guns, and how easily they are within grasps of immature. But this is not stopping from playing fps as i can clear understand the difference between going crazy and playing games.

    Regarding Games I grew up playing games which are not at all realistic like doom and wolfnstein, but these days games are becoming so realistic… one needs to regulate their kids from playing these. Mind you, parents should make the children realize the difference between games and real life which i think is a better approach then regulating.

  45. Don F Fuentes

    Yoshifett said

    DeanBiddler said

    I think the point elucidated by you and one that I never hear mentioned in these discussions is that the magnitude of violence/deaths can be directly attributed to the weapon. You can cause much more devastation with Semtex than a blade. 

    Every time I discuss guns with anyone, I raise this point. It’s the most important point. 20+ kids stabbed in China on the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook, yet no fatalities. As Dave pointed out, some of those kids lost eyes, etc., but I’d rather have my daughter alive with one eye than dead with both. Horrifying either way to know that people are out there who’d hurt anyone in that manner (let alone elementary school children.)

    Welcome to the world, Fett…people have been butchering and murdering each other for 20,000+ years…we’re violent creatures by our nature…although, at this stage of the game, some of us are quite a bit more violent than others…

     

    And PS –

     

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  46. Providence

    So let me get this straight, you tried out League of Legends, then said you didn’t like it. Then you said you like DOTA 2 which is fine, except every single thing you described about it that you like were the aspects that are the EXACT SAME as LoL. Personally I’ve tried out both and much prefered LoL. I’d give LoL another shot before counting it out, because the things you described that you liked are the things that are the same, and there are things about LoL you might prefer.

    If someone who played LoL but never played DOTA listened to you describe it, they would think for sure you were actually talking about LoL, just sayin

  47. DeanBiddler

    Don F Fuentes said

    Yoshifett said

    DeanBiddler said

    I think the point elucidated by you and one that I never hear mentioned in these discussions is that the magnitude of violence/deaths can be directly attributed to the weapon. You can cause much more devastation with Semtex than a blade. 

    Every time I discuss guns with anyone, I raise this point. It’s the most important point. 20+ kids stabbed in China on the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook, yet no fatalities. As Dave pointed out, some of those kids lost eyes, etc., but I’d rather have my daughter alive with one eye than dead with both. Horrifying either way to know that people are out there who’d hurt anyone in that manner (let alone elementary school children.)

    Welcome to the world, Fett…people have been butchering and murdering each other for 20,000+ years…we’re violent creatures by our nature…although, at this stage of the game, some of us are quite a bit more violent than others…

     

    And PS –

     

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    You neither confirm nor dismiss the point made but only add a non sequitur. Care to contribute a bit more next time?

     

  48. Don F Fuentes said

    Yoshifett said

    DeanBiddler said

    I think the point elucidated by you and one that I never hear mentioned in these discussions is that the magnitude of violence/deaths can be directly attributed to the weapon. You can cause much more devastation with Semtex than a blade. 

    Every time I discuss guns with anyone, I raise this point. It’s the most important point. 20+ kids stabbed in China on the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook, yet no fatalities. As Dave pointed out, some of those kids lost eyes, etc., but I’d rather have my daughter alive with one eye than dead with both. Horrifying either way to know that people are out there who’d hurt anyone in that manner (let alone elementary school children.)

    Welcome to the world, Fett…people have been butchering and murdering each other for 20,000+ years…we’re violent creatures by our nature…although, at this stage of the game, some of us are quite a bit more violent than others…

     

    And PS –

     

    thumb

     

    You neither confirm nor dismiss the point made but only add a non sequitur. Care to contribute a bit more next time?

     No, that won’t happen, because you are overlooking the massive internet boner he has for Yoshifett. It’s uncomfortable at first, but then it gets kind of cute.

  49. DeanBiddler

    Dear Don F Fuentes,

    Have you tried masturbating to relax that massive online boner? It will relieve the pain.

  50. Don F Fuentes

    DeanBiddler said

    Don F Fuentes said

    Yoshifett said

    DeanBiddler said

    I think the point elucidated by you and one that I never hear mentioned in these discussions is that the magnitude of violence/deaths can be directly attributed to the weapon. You can cause much more devastation with Semtex than a blade. 

    Every time I discuss guns with anyone, I raise this point. It’s the most important point. 20+ kids stabbed in China on the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook, yet no fatalities. As Dave pointed out, some of those kids lost eyes, etc., but I’d rather have my daughter alive with one eye than dead with both. Horrifying either way to know that people are out there who’d hurt anyone in that manner (let alone elementary school children.)

    Welcome to the world, Fett…people have been butchering and murdering each other for 20,000+ years…we’re violent creatures by our nature…although, at this stage of the game, some of us are quite a bit more violent than others…

     

    And PS –

     

    thumb

     

    You neither confirm nor dismiss the point made but only add a non sequitur. Care to contribute a bit more next time?

     

    Oh, I “get it” alright…you want the people to be disarmed, because we’re too ignorant and uncivilized to possess weapons…only the police, military, and politicians bodyguards, can be trusted with guns…winky2

     

    Ever been to Switzerland?

     

    If not, the Swiss people are the military…it’s not unusual to see some twenty year old kid roaming the isles of the Coop (Swiss grocery store), carrying a freakin’ fully automatic hand cannon, with grenades, and heavy rounds of ammunition.

    And what’s even more horrifying to the leftwing gun control fruits, is the fact that Switzerland has almost no violence whatsoever…because we all know that a country that’s abundant with guns, must be violent, right?

     

    Lots of guns + people = lots of violence

     

    No guns + people = no violence

     

    Leftwing math does it again! thumb

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  51. Terra

    I liked the episode, It’s good to hear you guys take on some cool things. And I agree wholeheartedly that The Walking Dead game seems a little too hands off to be a game of the year. It deserves best writing hands down, but it’s just not… active? It has a passive playstyle and I don’t really see that as deserving the praise of “Game of The Year” next to contenders like Journey or Mass Effect where it is a much more active experience. Not that all games need to be a adrenaline rides and lightning fast, but all in all I feel there is a lot more work that goes into games that aren’t just a minimally interactive storybook. I feel like it’s kind of a slap in the face to everyone who’s ever had the role of Beta tester when all that really needed testing for the winner was syncing up four choices in terms of what was done prior to that one.

    Warning. This is a wall of text. I’m asking for the stereotypical “tldr” comment but as a collegiate, I’m pretty sure that ruins any logical credibility. Any educated person can’t use the excuse that “Oh it was too long so I don’t actually know what’s being said” Bear with the annoying amount of words. This is for logic.

     

    Hmm. Regarding Sandy Hook, this is going to sound utterly horrendous but I wasn’t affected in the least by the event. 

     I still play violent games, I did the very day that happened. However, the logical conclusion I come to is that yes, Lono’s right, You’re all idiots. Your idea is that because of a violent outburst in the real world occurs, bearing in mind there is no connection between this specific event and gaming, that you should play more fantastical shooters as opposed to realistic?

     

    Wouldn’t the more logical conclusion be to ONLY play realistic shooters? I’d rather be under the influence that I know a bullet is lethal and that no you cannot actually take twenty rounds to the chest and be fine. That being said, I’ve shot a military grade firearm on multiple occasions in my lifetime and I perhaps am desensitized to the concept of violence in a large degree. Does that mean I’d go outside and use my knowledge of rifles to slaughter innocent people? Hell no.  

    That being said, I am completely aware that the human race is warlike. Not in that we have a tendency to fight, but we are literally and irrevocably a race that will kill and continue to kill until we destroy ourselves. This is a cruel thought but why do you consider Sandy Hook to be so tragic? Because it involves children? The value of human life is static and not based upon the qualities of the individual killed. I do not contest the fact that it is a sad aberration to our current world but it’s not so tragic compared to our long and bloody history.  Fact is, it’s a lot more normal than we’d like to think for our species. Killing kids is not a new thing. It’s not a good thing and I don’t propose that we all act like it’s normal, but it isn’t entirely unheard of. But see here’s the sad irony to this thinking. Repetitive anything desensitizes the human mind. Cognitively we are a pattern forming race and we do things often with no realization of anything actually occurring. Have you ever sat in your car after work and suddenly realized you don’t remember the drive home? That’s your mind not holding on to the sensory input from the drive home because it’s happened so often you no longer recall it. Violence doesn’t necessarily work that way. Mainly because our culture does a hypocritical action where we glamorize it in the media, and then make a tragedy of it in the real world. Fact is, that makes a perfect gray area for the idiots and the insane to take full advantage. But it doesn’t make violence less of a sensation. Hurting another living creature has a feeling that cannot be described and no video game mirrors that. For example, have you ever stepped on a pet’s paw? Generally you feel bad afterwards. It’s a natural reaction. It’s ingrained in our psyche because our culture wants us to be kind and despise hurting anything. Which is a good thing. It makes a fine difference between what is real and unreal. 

     

    You only see and hear in the games. You neither smell nor feel it. And this is a good thing. No sane being would ever willingly want to understand what it feels like to kill something. And I feel that because of this lack of full sensory awareness it’s okay to enjoy violence in the media to a casual extent. I wouldn’t suggest you force this logic on anyone else, but for me. I know what I do in the games is not real and I know that I wouldn’t ever let someone who isn’t aware of that play something excessively violent. Realistic or Not.

     

    This kind of thinking of course is full of flaws and I don’t contest that my opinion is the correct one. It certainly is not. However, I don’t feel that as gamers we are doing anything by swearing off entire genres of games because “Oh, that make me feel bad.” The dead are dead. Your actions now will do nothing to change that. They don’t feel better because you don’t like playing violent games anymore. Honour the dead of course, but don’t fool yourself into some self-pitying abyss.

     

    To the contrary of popular belief, I find violent gaming to be a cathartic experience and far better to expel aggressive emotion in a fiction setting that hold that kind of emotion bottled within one’s self because you feel desensitized to violence. I fear that is a far worse scenario where you are unable to release tension in the mind and body and are stuck with a metaphorical chip on your shoulder because of it.

     

    I’m not touching gun control. It’s a ridiculous issue that everyone are using to ignore the fact that people kill people and the weapons being used are not necessarily the blame. Make it harder to get more dangerous types of weapons, but don’t ever try and convince me that just because people can get access to military grade weapons (which might I add are regulated much more forcefully than anyone really bothers to notice) means that that weapon will be used to kill people more efficiently than another. It’s easy to make a bomb (Here’s betting I end up on a watchlist for that statement) It’s a lot harder to get a gun. Hell anyone with a high school chemistry course can probably get together enough components to cause an explosive reaction. And if not, Spend sixty buck on gasoline and a book of matches. Simply put, we’re a fragile race and while guns are effective, they’re not the only thing that kills. Ban the guns, We’ll find new ways to be better killers. It’s in our blood.

     

    I’m not a father. Nor am I near you all in terms of age or experience, but I do feel that violence is not a bad thing though it always has a negative connotation in the modern world. Tell me, were any of your children in danger, would you be afraid to harm someone because of that? The answer is a resounding no. Violence is an important thing even for a civilized and self-aware species. It’s what made us who we are and will invariably make us who we will become. The fact is that the reasoning behind violence is far more important than the action itself or the item used. Just my two cents worth after a long day at class. Pardon if i rambled incoherently.

  52. frawlzfans

    Don F Fuentes said

    DeanBiddler said

    Don F Fuentes said

    Yoshifett said

    DeanBiddler said

    I think the point elucidated by you and one that I never hear mentioned in these discussions is that the magnitude of violence/deaths can be directly attributed to the weapon. You can cause much more devastation with Semtex than a blade. 

    Every time I discuss guns with anyone, I raise this point. It’s the most important point. 20+ kids stabbed in China on the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook, yet no fatalities. As Dave pointed out, some of those kids lost eyes, etc., but I’d rather have my daughter alive with one eye than dead with both. Horrifying either way to know that people are out there who’d hurt anyone in that manner (let alone elementary school children.)

    Welcome to the world, Fett…people have been butchering and murdering each other for 20,000+ years…we’re violent creatures by our nature…although, at this stage of the game, some of us are quite a bit more violent than others…

     

    And PS –

     

    thumb

     

    You neither confirm nor dismiss the point made but only add a non sequitur. Care to contribute a bit more next time?

     

    Oh, I “get it” alright…you want the people to be disarmed, because we’re too ignorant and uncivilized to possess weapons…only the police, military, and politicians bodyguards, can be trusted with guns…winky2

     

    Ever been to Switzerland?

     

    If not, the Swiss people are the military…it’s not unusual to see some twenty year old kid roaming the isles of the Coop (Swiss grocery store), carrying a freakin’ fully automatic hand cannon, with grenades, and heavy rounds of ammunition.

    And what’s even more horrifying to the leftwing gun control fruits, is the fact that Switzerland has almost no violence whatsoever…because we all know that a country that’s abundant with guns, must be violent, right?

     

    Lots of guns + people = lots of violence

     

    No guns + people = no violence

     

    Leftwing math does it again! thumb

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Who is this nut? thumb

  53. Yoshifett

    Terra, you’re even more cynical about the nature of human beings than I am.

  54. Don F Fuentes

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  55. Terra said
    I liked the episode, It’s good to hear you guys take on some cool things. And I agree wholeheartedly that The Walking Dead game seems a little too hands off to be a game of the year. It deserves best writing hands down, but it’s just not… active? It has a passive playstyle and I don’t really see that as deserving the praise of “Game of The Year” next to contenders like Journey or Mass Effect where it is a much more active experience. Not that all games need to be a adrenaline rides and lightning fast, but all in all I feel there is a lot more work that goes into games that aren’t just a minimally interactive storybook. I feel like it’s kind of a slap in the face to everyone who’s ever had the role of Beta tester when all that really needed testing for the winner was syncing up four choices in terms of what was done prior to that one.

    Warning. This is a wall of text. I’m asking for the stereotypical “tldr” comment but as a collegiate, I’m pretty sure that ruins any logical credibility. Any educated person can’t use the excuse that “Oh it was too long so I don’t actually know what’s being said” Bear with the annoying amount of words. This is for logic.

     

    Hmm. Regarding Sandy Hook, this is going to sound utterly horrendous but I wasn’t affected in the least by the event. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

    YIKES! That’s pretty much where I signed out on your comment. It’s not, “Too Long Didn’t Read” it’s “Too Stupid, Didn’t Read”

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