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Big Red Flix 26: Welcome To Errf
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July 18, 2012
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Welcome back for another episode of Big Red Flix, BigRedBarrel.com’s movie podcast. This week Dave, Jitterbug and Yoshifett discuss Brave, Iron Sky, Prometheus, Screamers: The Hunting, Transformers 3, The Killer Inside, the subject of rape in film, as well as trailers for Taken 2, For A Good Time Call, and Django Unchained. There’s bonus content for BRB iPod and Android app users.

Check back next time because the gang will be discussing the summer popcorn flick Independence Day.

Here’s the RSS feed.  Leave an iTunes review and subscribe here.  Download the show here.

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July 18, 2012
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Man, I totally had lower expectations than you.

Dude, I thought it would be 5 times worse than it was.

Hey, I thought it would be 10 times worse than it was.

:) I think we can all agree that it was at least 12 times worse than it actually was. When Optimus Nimoy said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" I almost wizzed on the theatre floor, I was so mad. I even saw that piece of garbage in 3D. Never again…never again…

btw if you wanna see a movie with wall to wall rape? Check out the Italian film "Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom"…the stuff of nightmares! Also, most Dutch movies have a lot of weird, perverted sex. "Turkish Delight" is a good one by Paul Verhoeven.

Good show guys!

Now, I don't want to tempt fate, but I think everything is going to be totally great, forever!

July 19, 2012
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What about the doo-doo feeding parts of Salo though?

Go often to the house of thy friend, for weeds choke the unused path.
July 19, 2012
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Aww, SPOILER! That was supposed to be a surprise, now they'll never watch it…well, actually, Yoshi still might :)

I had a serious mind frack when they brought it out on silver platters. I literally couldn't speak for 5 minutes. Blew me away!

Now, I don't want to tempt fate, but I think everything is going to be totally great, forever!

July 19, 2012
4:57 pm
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I am not going to try and justify anything with any of the transformers movies, the character of Sam Witwicky and Shia Lebouf's acting are simply terrible. Frankly I don't know why Optimus is intent on saving humans when his biggest frame of reference is Sam, if anything would turn Optimus against humans it would be that character. There are many things wrong with the Transformers movies, just like there are many things wrong with nearly every movie. Jitterbug is quick to point that out, Sentinel Prime turning on the Autobots after refusing the Matrix isn't the biggest flaw with Dark of the Moon, the Optimus Prime I know and love would never execute Sentinel at the end of the movie. All that being said, how do you determine which is a bad movie with a lot of flaws that you forgive, Highlander and a movie with a lot of flaws you can't forgive. I love Highlander so much a part of me wants to forgive Highlander 2, despite what it did to the original concept. I don't understand the mind set that this movie is terrible but I can forgive it because I just enjoy it and have since I was younger and this movie is terrible but I enjoy it because I can just turn my brain off and watch robots fight. Where is the line and why is it Jitterbug that gets to decide which movies fall into the Highlander forgiveness category and which fall into the unforgivable Transformers. 

 

I love the podcast and I love the Dealocked books and I think Jitterbug is a very intelligent person who has thought provoking insight and also puts a lot of thought into everything he does and says. But I don't understand how he can condemn anyone who enjoys a movie because it gives them some joy to sit back and just watch.

 

Perhaps I take this personally because I have OCD and I have an over active brain, I analyze everything, scrutinize every decision. Some nights I don't sleep, especially if I made a mistake that day, When I do sleep, and I have had a sleep study with the full neuroimaging, my brain still doesn't rest. I have solved complicated work issues while I slept, I just awoke with the answer. 

 

Living like this can be exhausting, however I have found 2 things that allow me to slow down, video games and movies. I enjoy deep thought provoking movies, I enjoy working out inception in my head, my own theories, it killed me that I didn't recognize Kaiser Soze before he was revealed, but I also love to sit back calmly and peacefully and watch giant robots battle. Is transformers for everybody, no, it is a great movie, no but to say that someone shouldn't turn off their brain and just enjoy something because you don't enjoy it is pretty narrow-minded for someone who is clearly more intelligent than that. 

 

And I couldn't agree more about Newsroom, you should get caught up on all the episodes because that show is going to be great. I did think it was funny how you talked about Sorkin's habit of rapid fire conversations and how that isn't realistic but that you love other aspects of his creativity. Because I love that aspect of his creativity as well as his ability to take speeches, directed basically at the audience of the show, which is a big no no and make it work. That rapid fire conversation is what every part of life is like for me, I walk and talk quickly and if others can't keep up or they can't contribute go sit down and let the rest of us get our work done. When we are done with our work, we will do yours for you too.

 

TLDR:

Newsroom is fantastic, it is narrow minded to think you can't turn your brain off to enjoy something and Sam Witwicky should die, but transformers should live.

July 19, 2012
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Great comment, Jay. Criticism is in the eye of the beholder. As far as why some movies get a pass and others don't, that's entirely up to the viewer. I can forgive Highlander because I loved that movie as a child. I will contend though, that Highlander is like Citizen Kane compared to Transformers 3.

We had an interesting discussion on a recent episode of the podcast (yet to be released) about the degradation of modern cinema. We took a quick look at what passed for summer blockbusters of old compared to those of today. It is pretty stunning just how far our movies have sunk. While we still get some gems here and there (The Avengers, Batman, X-Men First Class, etc) the overwhelming majority of them are horrid, mindless crap. Give me Raiders of the Lost Ark over damn near ANY summer blockbuster of the past decade (excluding Dark Knight).

We are all able to make our own decisions about what movies are good or bad, but my role as a pseudo-critic on this podcast requires me to state my opinons. One of my strongest opinions, and one that gets a lot of airtime on our show, is that we shouldn't have to accept that big blockbuster movies are going to be stupid. That allows a wholesale dumbing-down of our culture, and we shouldn't stand by and simply accept (and applaud) that. If we demand higher quality out of Hollywood, then we'll get it. If not, we'll keep getting Battleship!!!

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July 19, 2012
8:02 pm
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Jitterbug I appreciate the response, and I listen to the podcast because I don't consider you guys pseudo-critics, I consider you critics, and I enjoy your insight and your delivery. Aside from BRB Flix the only other movie podcast I listen to is How Did This Get Made, and you guys are light years ahead of them. I hope nothing I said made it sound like you shouldn't have an opinion or criticize the movies, which do deserve criticism, even the best of them. I just felt that your criticism had switched in this case from the movies to the people watching them, and while I agree that our culture is currently not living up to it's potential you never know which terrible idea is going to inspire the next great idea. Maybe I am wrong but I think we only got the latest Batman Trilogy because the other movies went so far off the rails, somebody had to look at it and say I can do better. It is certainly true that sometimes the bar is set so low, my kids could probably do better, but I don't think that Hollywood is going to give us better quality just because we demand it. I honestly don't think that most have it in them to create any higher quality, they turned a completely non-narrative board game into a movie. They took a book about raising children, also with no narrative and made a terrible movie, and people said no to both, but that isn't going to stop the next producer from looking at the NY Times best seller list with googly eyes or looking at the local kids store shelves and thinking, hey that it my next movie.

Of course this could all be me justifying spending $12 on a movie ticket so I don't have to analyze how horrible of a decision I made wasting my money.

July 19, 2012
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No worries, I wasn't offended by your comment in the least. I like the discussion, and I'm also not pig-headed enough to not want to consider that I might be wrong (every now and again lol). I see your point about being nasty towards people who like movies such as the Transformers. That's not fair of me, since an older person could just have easily made fun of me as a child for liking Highlander.

However, I do disagree with you that Hollywood won't change their decisions based on people's responses. If Battleship had been a giant hit, then we would've seen a lot more movies greenlit that had the same premise. I guarantee we would be given a Monopoly movie that was about a real estate developer getting attacked by zombies or some such garbage. Since it flopped, they aren't going to try and exploit that silly idea of turning board games into movies.

I think the best example I can give about how public response can dictate Hollywood's decisions is what has happened following The Sopranos on television. TV used to be a wasteland of trite plots and cardboard characters. But HBO changed that when they put a focus on intelligent storylines and high production value. Suddenly, other channels were trying to emulate what HBO had done. Today, TV is better than the movies. Sad to say it, but it's true. I'd rather watch an episode of Game of Thrones, The Wire, Breaking Bad, Madmen, or The Newsroom than just about any movie coming out for the rest of this year.

Great discussion. And never worry about offending me. It's really hard to do, and if you do I'll let you know! :)

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July 19, 2012
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And by the way, I caught up with all the episodes of The Newsroom. Episode 2 was a disaster IMO, but Ep 3 was fantastic, and achieved everything I hoped the series could. Ep 4 was pretty good, but was excellent when the news story broke. I love the show, and look forward to seeing where they take it.

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July 19, 2012
10:53 pm
jaystaeb8
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Did you watch Sports Night? Did you catch the reuse of the water to the face in Ep 4 that they used in Sports Night Ep 7 when Dan had writers block? They even went as far as to use nearly the same line when he gets water in his face. Not only was Ep 3 fantastic but educational, I had not known that the hour for the nightly news was given for use of the airwaves for broadcast TV, and that it was never meant to have commercials to prevent business from influencing how news is covered. It makes sense and it is too bad that this is not the case. That may go a long way to prevent some of the dumbing down of our population.

July 19, 2012
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I never watched Sports Night, so I missed out on that. I also didn't know about the original role of the news hour, and am sad that it wasn't regulated to be non-profit. That would've changed a hell of a lot about our news!

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July 21, 2012
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My liking of the Transformers movies is well known on twitter but I genuinely like Transformers 3.   

July 26, 2012
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frawlzfans said ee
My liking of the Transformers movies is well known on twitter but I genuinely like Transformers 3.   

I agree…I wanted robots and explosions, and that's what I got!thumb

July 26, 2012
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I love it when someone says: Anyone who like this movie is an idiot.

Then someone else says: Oh yeah, well if that's true, how come I like this movie then?

Good point, let's move on, shall we XD 

Now, I don't want to tempt fate, but I think everything is going to be totally great, forever!

July 26, 2012
5:06 am
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Everyone has their own opinion.  Nonetheless, I'm old enough to like what I like without worrying what other people think.  I think it is fair to say that a person's taste in no way speaks to their intelligence.  It's just entertainment- same as video games.

winky2

So Jitterbug has a strong dislike for the movie…he's free to feel that way.  I just don't share the opinion.

In any case, I love the Flix podcasts (actually all the BRB ones).  Its always extremely entertaining to hear Dave, Jitterbug and Yoshi excitedly discuss films.  The moon conversation on the latest episode cracked me up. happy

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