Big Red Flix 58: Back To The Future 2 (Part 2)

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Welcome back for another episode of Big Red Flix, BigRedBarrel.com’s movie podcast. Dave, Jitterbug and Yoshifett are still bogged down in the time traveling mess that is Back To The Future 2, but a trip to the Biff Museum makes it all worth while.

Check back next week for part 3.

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  1. MTaylo050

    I think another movie that handled Time Travel pretty well is Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. When the kids go back in time and start “changing” things in the past we find out that they didn’t really change anything in the past and it was only their perspective of what took place that was altered.

  2. MTaylo050 said
    I think another movie that handled Time Travel pretty well is Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. When the kids go back in time and start “changing” things in the past we find out that they didn’t really change anything in the past and it was only their perspective of what took place that was altered.

    I don’t remember that movie exactly, but I thought it went with the idea that everything they’re doing in the past had already been done before – meaning that there was a future Harry Potter at some point that had originally carved out the timeline and that the Harry Potter we were watching was just an echo of him. If that makes sense. 

  3. MTaylo050

    Jitterbug said

    I don’t remember that movie exactly, but I thought it went with the idea that everything they’re doing in the past had already been done before – meaning that there was a future Harry Potter at some point that had originally carved out the timeline and that the Harry Potter we were watching was just an echo of him. If that makes sense. 

    The first time the events play out, Harry is just witnessing all the events happen and it appears as though some of the events have turned out badly (the hippogriph gets his head cut off) or his perspective is skewed (He thinks his dad saves him form the dementors before he passes out), but then they go back in time and find out what really happens The hippogriph doesn’t get his head chopped off it’s actually a pumpkin and future Harry saves past Harry who kind of looks like Harry’s Dad. None of the events are actually altered when Harry travels back in time it’s always just a matter of perspective and understanding about what really happened.

    I tend to think of time travel this way. If someone has gone back in time to altered the future that is how things would have always played out and the future that the time traveling person came from would have never existed in the first place which means the future person would have never had to go back in time in the first place which is when you start going cross eyed. Did that make sense?

    Again, Harry Potter never alters the past, he just has a new understanding of how events played out. It’s all still pretty dicey, but I like this explanation of time travel better than most. The branching timelines is the one that makes the most sense though if anyone going back in time makes sense.

  4. Yoshifett

    I had a revelation! A vision! A picture in my head! A picture of this! This is what makes time travel possible: Hermione Granger!

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  5. Diarmuid said
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    LOL, that’s great.

  6. FireMuncher

    Yoshifett said

    I had a revelation! A vision! A picture in my head! A picture of this! This is what makes time travel possible: Hermione Granger!

    Unfortunately you cannot go forward in time (like 2 years)tongue

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  7. Yoshifett

    I feel completely terrible about myself.

  8. zombiesauerkraut

    Yoshi, you don’t need to be apologetic for having an opinion. I agree that the writers using the word “repair” strongly suggests that their idea was that the one true timeline needs to be restored in order to prevent all the crazy tangents from happening. Of course, then they’re cheating right off the bat, since the 1985 at the end of BttF1 is, in fact, a tangent itself, because Marty interacted with his parents in the past in a way that changed his whole family and Biff in the “present”.

    When Marty wants to go back to the future to stop Biff from getting the almanac Doc says that they can’t do this. Not because it’s physically impossible to go forward in time from there, but because it would be the future of the tangent they’re currently in. Since it wouldn’t be the future of the original timeline, the moment where Biff finds the almanac does not exist in this tangent.

    When Marty jumps off the roof, Biff can hardly believe it, he’s completely perplexed. Then he’s blown away again when he sees that Marty is still alive and standing on a floating car. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for anyone to have a “duuuuuuh…” moment at this point, preventing them from shooting Marty, especially when it’s some moron who can’t get the phrase “make like a tree and leave” right. In my opinion, this scene doesn’t suck because it’s illogical, it sucks because it’s a lame and cheezy cliche, and an important example of how Zemeckis’ goals changed for the sequel to a very solid and succesful movie.

    When Doc explains time travel in BttF1 by sending Einstein to the future, Einstein is removed from existence for a full minute. So when he arrives one minute in the future, there is no second Einstein for him to interact with. Therefor, when Marty and Jennifer go to the future to save their kids, the same thing should happen to them that happened to Einstein: they dissapear from existence for 15 years and when they arrive in the future, they never had kids, they never got old and they should not be able to interact with their future selves. The entire plot for BttF2 is based on a premise that breaks the most fundamental rule established at the very beginning of BttF1. This is why it is my belief that Zemeckis made a conscious decision to ignore the rules in the sequel. As JB mentioned, Zemeckis knew in the first movie that you have to break the time machine for any of the dilemmas to make sence. For BttF2, they didn’t throw together a sloppy script while on the set, they knew exactly what they were doing, which was to ride the wave created by BttF1 and make a funfilled movie full of time machines and future selves that more people would go see, depsite whether it made sence or not.

    BttF1 is a superior movie by far, but BttF2 accomplishes what it set out to do. I have a hard enough time enjoying movies as it is, so when I’m given a movie that is meant to be taken at face value, I either sit back and enjoy or I don’t watch it at all. I agree with much of what you guys said on this BKR, but I think it’s a bit unnecessary to constantly remark how anyone who enjoys this movie, or thinks the plot is good, or who likes this character or whatever, must be an idiot, or has no taste in movies, or is incapable of critical analysis etc. The only point I can see to calling out these people is to reaffirm how right you must be; a superfluous exercise, since we all know that everyone on this show is always right about everything (except that Obi-Wan is evil for letting Anakin burn :) ).

    Anyhow, good show, guys!

    P.S. Don’t feel so bad, Yoshi; to quote 1985 Dogsdie, “You can look at the menu, you just can’t order.”

  9. You make an interesting point about how the characters should’ve disappeared from existence when they went forward in time. Can’t argue with that point.

    I don’t recall calling anyone an idiot if they liked this movie, or think a character is good, or anything of that sort. I haven’t listened to the show, so for all I know there was a moment when we said that, but I certainly hope not. Art is subjective. I do recall saying that I can’t understand how anyone could say that this movie has a good plot, and I stick by that. This thing has an awful plot, and destroys much of what I liked about the characters from the first movie. I think everything ‘new’ they add here is bad, and the good stuff is only good because it’s a slight alteration of what the original movie did – thus pulling on our nostalgia strings. I understand why people like this movie, and everyone is more than welcome to their own opinion. However, I find it hard to believe that anyone would stand behind the plot (with all its holes and “chickens”) and say that it rivals the first movie. 

  10. zombiesauerkraut

    Fair enough.

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